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    arena a necessitty..??

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    arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:28 pm

    i've heard from some players

    that improving in arena is necessary to improve in arabia...

    got any comments on that..?? Rolling Eyes
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSA_J_Conner on Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:02 pm

    no
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:10 pm

    comments are welcome... Smile
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSK_Suhas on Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:09 pm

    not at all needed

    but it will help for other closed maps , not arabia


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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_Bluewolf on Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:53 pm

    i got advice from 2k either choose arabia or arena n try to master it then start to learn other map


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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by grvs on Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:49 pm

    you can improve your arabia skills by
    improving micro, eco control, map control, and strategy making.
    Arena helps in all or these

    But you can do this by playing almost any map so arena is not a necessity.
    playing with galleys can give you best idea about how to fight with archers/ CA in plain land. etc...
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSA_J_Conner on Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:39 am

    imo arab and arena are not related at all, except for eco/army micro part. which is common to all maps in aoc.

    Arab is speed map, u have to be fast and u have to see what ur opponents doing. There are few variations in unit/civ choices that work in arab. Ara is open map most of the time. Going knts win u 8/10 games.

    Arena is totally different, its a closed map. Depends heavily on strat choice, unit choice, and counter unit etc. Monks are OP in arena, u can make UU since most times u will make a castle with ranged unit.

    If you are new, i'd suggest play arab, its good to start off with, gives a good feel for the game etc etc. Once u know what works and how, u can start playing arena.

    Master the pop 22 first^^

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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSK_Suhas on Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:48 am

    master the 22 up in arena Very Happy


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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:44 am

    22 up in arena..??

    lol...i though 22 up was for arabia...
    now alive has invented 21 up(roxx for sc rush,different build order though)...

    i do 27 pop feudal and 29 pop castle in arena

    not 22...
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:45 am

    Bluewolf is right...

    either hav to choose arena or arabia and get along with it...

    thanks for you replies guys...

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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by HELLRAZER on Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:55 pm

    arena and arabia are 2 opposite maps u can say , arabia on one side is a fighting map in which no1 can win [in almost cases] if u r booming n going c age not fighting in fedual age , n other side in arena it tests ur booming+defense skill or ur aggressiveness in castle age [though u can fedual rush too if the map is that way]. in arabia ur army control is much more important than ur eco even daut dont see on his idle villy from tc when his army is fighting. but in arena if ur eco is gud u can make a come back easily

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    Post by HELLRAZER on Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:56 pm

    long live mogambo!


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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by Raze2dust on Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:14 pm

    AoC = Strategy, Micro and Speed.
    Arena needs more strategy than arabia. Arabia needs more speed. Both need equal micro, maybe arena needs slightly more.

    So they are kinda opposite in a way - mastering one cannot help the other in any special way. The 2k's advice also seems to fit in because he seems to suggest that work on either of srategy or speed at one time. Then go for the other.
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSK_Suhas on Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:02 am

    darkprince wrote:22 up in arena..??

    i do 27 pop feudal and 29 pop castle in arena

    not 22...

    you pro then
    i do 28+2 or 28+3

    alive invented 21 up?
    when....i seen many 21 ups long back & did 21 up & lost due to sucking eco Very Happy after 4 scouts


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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSA_J_Conner on Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:37 am

    ^^arena needs more military micro, less boom. boom almost never wins at higher levels of play. Its a small map, so with big boom , there is no place to run and rebuild and make army, unlike ara, where u can find many spots to rebuild and raid him etc.

    21 pop first perfected by chris.
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by mantubby on Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:44 am

    i think any 14/15xx can do 21 pop by putting all vills on food after initial 3 wood

    but then you'll have shortage of wood by the time you hit feudal xD

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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by HELLRAZER on Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:40 am

    its very difficult to do 21pop by doing loom @10th or11th
    so to do 21pop best thing is to loom at the end of 21pop n then u can hit fedual easily mostly
    even i have done 20 pop fedual in arabia wid late loom sometimes u get rox resources Smile
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSA_J_Conner on Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:24 am

    I'm sure no 14xx can do 21 pop or even 15xx for that matter.
    Pop 21 dosen't mean clicking up 21 pop at anytime, its about reaching fued at 9:40 / 9:45.

    A good pop 21 will have resources for wood up / farm up and a stable and be able to make scouts continuously, thats all 19+ / 2k skill unless your mong and got easy hunt.

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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by grvs on Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:46 pm

    u r right... hell is noob Razz

    i think both 22 pop up and 21 pop up are first started by chris...
    (if u watch recs from around 2002, chris started to bring nearer boar without looming and then farther boar with loom to do 22 pop up).

    I am waiting for some1 to invent full dark age fight with celtic militias.
    (u can actually go a forward barrack around pop 15 and then go on full militia, walling opp. resources as well.
    but u will need 2k scouting skills for that.
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CsK_kill3r on Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:00 pm

    I've seen halen doing 20-21 pop too with huns on ara. Alec ([RVK]Drago_) is a good deer pusher, I've seen in his old games used to go 21 pop + scouts all the time.


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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:05 pm

    Yup sure..yeah...it was chris alright..
    the one who invented 21 pop...
    he aint usin it that much against good players though...
    dont know why...
    even alive..he used it against 1.9k..
    and did not when he faced iwantmarylin..
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:06 pm

    And ofc...21 pop is not an easy issue...
    conner is right...
    needs some practise to get it through..
    we jus cant get it right the first few times...

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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by HELLRAZER on Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:01 pm

    i can get 21 pop 75% of times Razz and 20 pop 5% time
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by _CsK_DarkPrince on Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:29 pm

    lol...
    after some practise...

    yup now i can get it 75=80% of the times as well... Very Happy
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    Re: arena a necessitty..??

    Post by CSK_Suhas on Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:13 am

    grvs wrote:
    I am waiting for some1 to invent full dark age fight with celtic militias.
    (u can actually go a forward barrack around pop 15 and then go on full militia, walling opp. resources as well.
    but u will need 2k scouting skills for that.

    seen only one rec of this strat , some orion / _ils something nick


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