arena a necessitty..??

i've heard from some players

that improving in arena is necessary to improve in arabia...

got any comments on that..??

no

comments are welcome...

not at all needed

but it will help for other closed maps , not arabia

i got advice from 2k either choose arabia or arena n try to master it then start to learn other map

you can improve your arabia skills by
improving micro, eco control, map control, and strategy making.
Arena helps in all or these

But you can do this by playing almost any map so arena is not a necessity.
playing with galleys can give you best idea about how to fight with archers/ CA in plain land. etc...

imo arab and arena are not related at all, except for eco/army micro part. which is common to all maps in aoc.

Arab is speed map, u have to be fast and u have to see what ur opponents doing. There are few variations in unit/civ choices that work in arab. Ara is open map most of the time. Going knts win u 8/10 games.

Arena is totally different, its a closed map. Depends heavily on strat choice, unit choice, and counter unit etc. Monks are OP in arena, u can make UU since most times u will make a castle with ranged unit.

If you are new, i'd suggest play arab, its good to start off with, gives a good feel for the game etc etc. Once u know what works and how, u can start playing arena.

Master the pop 22 first^^

need to crawl before u can walk

master the 22 up in arena

22 up in arena..??

lol...i though 22 up was for arabia...
now alive has invented 21 up(roxx for sc rush,different build order though)...

i do 27 pop feudal and 29 pop castle in arena

not 22...

Bluewolf is right...

either hav to choose arena or arabia and get along with it...

thanks for you replies guys...

arena and arabia are 2 opposite maps u can say , arabia on one side is a fighting map in which no1 can win [in almost cases] if u r booming n going c age not fighting in fedual age , n other side in arena it tests ur booming+defense skill or ur aggressiveness in castle age [though u can fedual rush too if the map is that way]. in arabia ur army control is much more important than ur eco even daut dont see on his idle villy from tc when his army is fighting. but in arena if ur eco is gud u can make a come back easily

long live mogambo!

AoC = Strategy, Micro and Speed.
Arena needs more strategy than arabia. Arabia needs more speed. Both need equal micro, maybe arena needs slightly more.

So they are kinda opposite in a way - mastering one cannot help the other in any special way. The 2k's advice also seems to fit in because he seems to suggest that work on either of srategy or speed at one time. Then go for the other.

darkprince wrote:22 up in arena..??

i do 27 pop feudal and 29 pop castle in arena

not 22...

you pro then
i do 28+2 or 28+3

alive invented 21 up?
when....i seen many 21 ups long back & did 21 up & lost due to sucking eco after 4 scouts

^^arena needs more military micro, less boom. boom almost never wins at higher levels of play. Its a small map, so with big boom , there is no place to run and rebuild and make army, unlike ara, where u can find many spots to rebuild and raid him etc.

21 pop first perfected by chris.

i think any 14/15xx can do 21 pop by putting all vills on food after initial 3 wood

but then you'll have shortage of wood by the time you hit feudal xD

its very difficult to do 21pop by doing loom @10th or11th
so to do 21pop best thing is to loom at the end of 21pop n then u can hit fedual easily mostly
even i have done 20 pop fedual in arabia wid late loom sometimes u get rox resources

I'm sure no 14xx can do 21 pop or even 15xx for that matter.
Pop 21 dosen't mean clicking up 21 pop at anytime, its about reaching fued at 9:40 / 9:45.

A good pop 21 will have resources for wood up / farm up and a stable and be able to make scouts continuously, thats all 19+ / 2k skill unless your mong and got easy hunt.

u r right... hell is noob

i think both 22 pop up and 21 pop up are first started by chris...
(if u watch recs from around 2002, chris started to bring nearer boar without looming and then farther boar with loom to do 22 pop up).

I am waiting for some1 to invent full dark age fight with celtic militias.
(u can actually go a forward barrack around pop 15 and then go on full militia, walling opp. resources as well.
but u will need 2k scouting skills for that.

I've seen halen doing 20-21 pop too with huns on ara. Alec ([RVK]Drago_) is a good deer pusher, I've seen in his old games used to go 21 pop + scouts all the time.

Yup sure..yeah...it was chris alright..
the one who invented 21 pop...
he aint usin it that much against good players though...
dont know why...
even alive..he used it against 1.9k..
and did not when he faced iwantmarylin..

And ofc...21 pop is not an easy issue...
conner is right...
needs some practise to get it through..
we jus cant get it right the first few times...

i can get 21 pop 75% of times and 20 pop 5% time

lol...
after some practise...

yup now i can get it 75=80% of the times as well...

grvs wrote:
I am waiting for some1 to invent full dark age fight with celtic militias.
(u can actually go a forward barrack around pop 15 and then go on full militia, walling opp. resources as well.
but u will need 2k scouting skills for that.

seen only one rec of this strat , some orion / _ils something nick